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bero  
#31521 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2020 10:06:21 PM(UTC)
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Ajmo sada bit fer malo pa pogledati drugu stranu price - postoji konfuzija oko definicije. najbolje je definirana u ovome clanku

https://www.cbsnews.com/...ty-in-the-united-states/



Pa ajmo bit, kratki i jasni. Sam si gore naveo hrpu slucajeva kada su muslici u sad-u bili optuzeni za terorizam. Ajde nadji mi jednog ne-muslica, jer to i jest tema cijeli vrijeme, koji je optuzen za terorizam?

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#31522 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2020 10:14:33 PM(UTC)
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ne, zelim to reci sto sam i napisao a to je da sam u samo 20ak minuta nasao slucaj gdje je musliman u americi pocinio mass shooting i ubio 13 ljudi i, iako je simpatizirao sa teroristickim grupama, nije osuden za terorizam. dali ima vise takvih slucajeva, vjerovatno, iako rijetko koji napadac prezivi, ali nije ni vazno, necu gubiti vrijeme na to, da ti pokazem drugi slucaj ti bi pitao dali hocu reci da je u povijesti bilo samo dva slucaja, pa onda bi to isto pisao za tri i tako dalje, na kraju smiley po obicaju...

nije vazno, ako ti donosi satisfaciju da si svima dokazao da bijeli krscani mogu biti teroristi nek ti bude lakse, da, mogu, itekako! uzivaj Emocija18
On je čovjek jako dobar momak!
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#31523 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2020 10:24:53 PM(UTC)
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Pa lijepo te pitam, slobodno napisi primjere koje imas. Meni nije problem priznat da grijesim, moj ego nije bez granica.
Da, bijeli krscani mogu bit teroristi. Samo ne za US pravosudje, tamo mogu biti maksimalno ubojice ;)

I nisam nikom nista dokazivao, vi ste se zalijepili na moj post ko muhe, pa red je da vam repliciram.
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#31524 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2020 10:54:08 PM(UTC)
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Ovo sto sada radis je jako nekorektno... prvo si rekao---

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Ako kenjam, razuvjeri me, daj neli source da je u americi netko optuzen i osudjen za TERORIZAM.

Neces stavit, jer ga nemas. Sto znaci da i ti kenjas.


kada si to dobio, onda nije bilo dobro,,... oces da nisu muslici, da nisu amerikanci, da imaju plavu kosu i da se zove marko...

dobio si cinjenice- dobio si i linkove...

vidi ovi cak i nisu muslimani... a optuzeni su za terorizam... ups...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_City_Seven

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynne_Stewart

ajmo dalje --- Ronald Allen Grecula - poznas ga pa znas da je valjda presao na islam? zajebo se pa nije promijenio ime valjda u muhamed..

On December 5, 2005, Michael Curtis Reynolds was arrested at a motel near Pocatello, Idaho, after arranging to meet a purported al-Qa’ida contact. Reynolds offered to assist al-Qa’ida in engaging in acts of terrorism within the United States by identifying targets, planning terrorist attacks, and describing bomb-making methods. Reynolds sought to carry out violent attacks against pipeline systems and energy facilities in an effort to reduce energy reserves, create environmental hazards, and increase anxiety. Reynolds sought payment for supplying his assistance and continuing work on behalf of al-Qa’ida. Reynolds has been charged with attempting to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization.




On August 8, 2005, Carlos Gamarra-Murillo was sentenced in U.S. District Court in Tampa, Florida, to 25 years’ imprisonment for brokering and exporting defense articles without a license and providing material support to a foreign terrorist organization. Gamarra-Murillo attempted to supply the Colombian-based FARC with 4,000 grenades and 200 firearms.


On November 8, 2005, a federal judge in Madison, Wisconsin, sentenced Peter Daniel Young to 24 months in prison following his September 2, 2005, guilty plea to one count of conspiracy and one count of animal enterprise terrorism. Young and Justin C. Samuel had been indicted by a grand jury for actions in releasing thousands of mink from three Wisconsin farms in late 1997. Samuel was extradited from Belgium and later pled guilty to two counts of animal enterprise terrorism on November 3, 2000. Young remained a federal fugitive until his capture by the San Jose Police Department in San Jose, California, on March 21, 2005.


LOL- animal enterprise terrorism

ajmo dalje

Ova optuzba je pod definicijom terorirzma. ako si ista citao od linkova i zakona sto sam postao to bi trebao znat bez i da ti ja to ovdje napominjem...
https://www.justice.gov/...weapons-mass-destruction

Brian Cannon, 37, Terry Peace, 47, and Cory Williamson, 29, have been sentenced for conspiring to use weapons of mass destruction in attacks against federal government agencies. The defendants planned to attack critical infrastructure while motivating militia groups in other states to rise up and join them in removing government officials who they believed had exceeded their Constitutional power.



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#31525 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:14:20 PM(UTC)
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hamush sad zelis reci da su u povijesti USA bila samo dva slucaja gdje su osudili bijelce ne muslimane za teror? 😂
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#31526 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:57:51 PM(UTC)
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hamush sad zelis reci da su u povijesti USA bila samo dva slucaja gdje su osudili bijelce ne muslimane za teror? 😂


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#31527 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2020 12:23:13 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hamush Go to Quoted Post
Ovo sto sada radis je jako nekorektno... prvo si rekao---

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Ako kenjam, razuvjeri me, daj neli source da je u americi netko optuzen i osudjen za TERORIZAM.

Neces stavit, jer ga nemas. Sto znaci da i ti kenjas.


kada si to dobio, onda nije bilo dobro,,... oces da nisu muslici, da nisu amerikanci, da imaju plavu kosu i da se zove marko...

dobio si cinjenice- dobio si i linkove...

vidi ovi cak i nisu muslimani... a optuzeni su za terorizam... ups...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_City_Seven

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynne_Stewart

ajmo dalje --- Ronald Allen Grecula - poznas ga pa znas da je valjda presao na islam? zajebo se pa nije promijenio ime valjda u muhamed..

On December 5, 2005, Michael Curtis Reynolds was arrested at a motel near Pocatello, Idaho, after arranging to meet a purported al-Qa’ida contact. Reynolds offered to assist al-Qa’ida in engaging in acts of terrorism within the United States by identifying targets, planning terrorist attacks, and describing bomb-making methods. Reynolds sought to carry out violent attacks against pipeline systems and energy facilities in an effort to reduce energy reserves, create environmental hazards, and increase anxiety. Reynolds sought payment for supplying his assistance and continuing work on behalf of al-Qa’ida. Reynolds has been charged with attempting to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization.




On August 8, 2005, Carlos Gamarra-Murillo was sentenced in U.S. District Court in Tampa, Florida, to 25 years’ imprisonment for brokering and exporting defense articles without a license and providing material support to a foreign terrorist organization. Gamarra-Murillo attempted to supply the Colombian-based FARC with 4,000 grenades and 200 firearms.


On November 8, 2005, a federal judge in Madison, Wisconsin, sentenced Peter Daniel Young to 24 months in prison following his September 2, 2005, guilty plea to one count of conspiracy and one count of animal enterprise terrorism. Young and Justin C. Samuel had been indicted by a grand jury for actions in releasing thousands of mink from three Wisconsin farms in late 1997. Samuel was extradited from Belgium and later pled guilty to two counts of animal enterprise terrorism on November 3, 2000. Young remained a federal fugitive until his capture by the San Jose Police Department in San Jose, California, on March 21, 2005.


LOL- animal enterprise terrorism

ajmo dalje

Ova optuzba je pod definicijom terorirzma. ako si ista citao od linkova i zakona sto sam postao to bi trebao znat bez i da ti ja to ovdje napominjem...
https://www.justice.gov/...weapons-mass-destruction

Brian Cannon, 37, Terry Peace, 47, and Cory Williamson, 29, have been sentenced for conspiring to use weapons of mass destruction in attacks against federal government agencies. The defendants planned to attack critical infrastructure while motivating militia groups in other states to rise up and join them in removing government officials who they believed had exceeded their Constitutional power.




Kakvi su to primjeri. Ova jedna suradivala s teroristima, a drugi sekta. Valjda pricamo o ovakvim slucajevima ko kod nas.

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#31528 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2020 2:01:15 AM(UTC)
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a procitao si ih sve? ima ih jos... ovo su samo 2002-2005 :D
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#31529 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2020 7:00:06 AM(UTC)
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Hamush, pa tema cijelo vrijeme je razlucit tretman muslica i ne-muslica terorista u americi, pa procitaj moje postove koji su zapoceli raspravu.

Tako da i sad s ovim linkovima samo potvrdjujes moju tezu - u optuzbama za terorizam su iskljucivo ljudi koje se optuzuje za povezanost s islamistickim organizacijama.

Ustvari ne, i jedan slucaj sa zivotinjama. Ok, u pravu si, nije samo islamizam vec i animalizam :D
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#31530 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2020 8:42:14 AM(UTC)
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Hamush, pa tema cijelo vrijeme je razlucit tretman muslica i ne-muslica terorista u americi, pa procitaj moje postove koji su zapoceli raspravu.

Tako da i sad s ovim linkovima samo potvrdjujes moju tezu - u optuzbama za terorizam su iskljucivo ljudi koje se optuzuje za povezanost s islamistickim organizacijama.

Ustvari ne, i jedan slucaj sa zivotinjama. Ok, u pravu si, nije samo islamizam vec i animalizam :D



ne kuzis... americki zakon optuzbe za terorizam temelji gotovo eksplicite uz asocijaciju na internacionalni terorizam. a vecina "domacih" terorista (nevezanih za jihad) su vecinom osudjivani po tockama optuznice koje spadaju pod umbrellu kaznenog zakona o terorizmu - to sam sve vec 2 puta naveo i citirao, ali dzaba.

ne kuzis se u US penal code a istovremeno pricas o nekakvoj diskriminaciji, i citiras samo i iskljucivo sto ti se svidja.

i da za kraj se nadovezem na daleko jednog od najvecih domacih terorirsa u USA - Tim McVeigh je po svakoj definiciji terorist, a zasto je osudjen po tockama optuznice koje nemaju u sebi spomen terorizma cu ostavit tebi da zakljucis kako ga eto Amerika pravda gotivi i izjednacava sa cosa nostrom...

Evo jos malo primjera osudjenih domacih terorista

https://www.justice.gov/...-16-improvised-explosive


evo i trenutacnog slucaja domaceg terorizma koji se (vidi cuda) vodi protiv bijelaca ne-muslica i nema veze sa jihadom
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https://www.cnn.com/2020...nal-complaint/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2020...r-plot-charge/index.html

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#31531 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2020 10:11:55 AM(UTC)
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US penal code samo foreign groups (tipa al kaida) priznaje kao teroristicke, a homegrowne ne, njih kategorizira u najgorem slucaju kao hate groups (primjer KKK i ostali).
Znaci americke drzavljane se procesuira za terorizam jedino ako ih povezuju sa stranim islamistickim organizacijama.

I to nema veze lijevi-desni (da smirimo balkanbombera), isto kao sto nikad nisu ni nece KKK proglasit teroristickom skupinom, isto tako ne bi ni Antifu da krene s bombaskim napadima i likvidacijama.

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#31532 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2020 10:21:50 AM(UTC)
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evo i trenutacnog slucaja domaceg terorizma koji se (vidi cuda) vodi protiv bijelaca ne-muslica i nema veze sa jihadom
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https://www.cnn.com/2020...nal-complaint/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2020...r-plot-charge/index.html


Bravo, eto, takve primjere sam te trazio.
Eto, priznajem da sam pogrijesio, ameri procesuiraju ne-islamiste za terorizam.

Ne cesto, ali da.

Hvala! Priznajem da sam kenjao :)

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hamush sad zelis reci da su u povijesti USA bila samo dva slucaja gdje su osudili bijelce ne muslimane za teror? 😂


ne 2... 3 Emocija1


Evo i sad bi mogli ovih BLM/antifa na desetke bez beda i optužiti i osuditi, da se tako demokratima hoće.
Samo im se neće, njima se hoće puštati ih na slobodu bez jamčevine. Emocija20

Ne znam jeste li pratili kakve se stvari dešavaju, ali "opstruiranje javnih službi poput policije ili hitne i zastrašivanje u svrhu postizanja političkih ciljeva" se dešava svaki dan.
Kao po definiciji.

I ne samo opstruiranje, nego i napadi na njih, ili palež.

I ne samo palež, nego se ekipa sjeti stvari poput bacanja molotovljevih koktela na policajce, ili su npr. pokušali zabarikadarati policajce u stanici i potom podmetnuti požar. Masovno ubojstvo.
Kad to vidim, zapitam se što točno bi "teroristi" i mogli u svojim napadima, a da nije baš takvo? Baš takve stvari i rade, samo još npr. više koriste eksplozive. Ili, što uopće i postoji gore od toga?

Da o spaljivanju kuća ili firmi običnim ljudima i ne spominjemo. To je već "normalno". Emocija8


-Stipe

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U svijetu ima preko 100 definicija terorizma, jer se organizacije i vlade ne mogu dogovorit oko univerzalne definicije.

Razlog tomu je stara izreka: "jednima terorist, drugima freedom fighter".
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#31535 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2020 6:12:52 PM(UTC)
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ovdje se radi o napadu zbog same političke atmosfere, ljudi koji to podržavaju više je to zbog frustracije. Takvu podršku treba gledati kao simptom lošeg rada u politici. Podršku gledam kao neku vrstu revolta, nezadovoljstva u njihovim životima. Zbog loše politike došao je Pernar i ostali koji vole galamiti. Plenković sada od sebe radi žrtvu a nigdje dokaza da je baš njega htio ubiti. Isitina je da je Plenković došao u najgore vrijeme, kada više ne prolazi sprdnja kradeze i slično. Da Plenković nije kriv što je dečko uzeo pušku ali sada on mora ukazati tko su potencijalni krivci.

Da terorizam se može na više načina tumačiti. Velika je vjerojatnost da bi se ovaj napad nazvao čvrsto kao teroristički d aje to neki musliman napravio. Ljudi bi se zapitali zašto musliman ide pucati na državnu instituciju i u zemlji gdje ima najviše katolika.

Kod ovog dečka se može reći da je pola terorizam(nacionalni i politički motiv) pola zbog samog nezadovoljstva u društvu.

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Citam da Gruzija nije dozvolila da kroz njihovu drzavu prodje oruzje za Armeniju.
Kao sto sam vec pisao, u razgovoru s lokalcima u Gruziji sam skonto da puno vise podrzavaju Azere i da Armence ne simpatiziraju previse. Cak u sirem centru Tbilisija postoji park nazvan po bivsem predsjedniku Azerbajdzana. Jako zanimljivo, s obzirom da su im Armenci religijski blizi.

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MAJKO MILA hahahahahaha
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MAJKO MILA hahahahahaha


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Citam da Gruzija nije dozvolila da kroz njihovu drzavu prodje oruzje za Armeniju.
Kao sto sam vec pisao, u razgovoru s lokalcima u Gruziji sam skonto da puno vise podrzavaju Azere i da Armence ne simpatiziraju previse. Cak u sirem centru Tbilisija postoji park nazvan po bivsem predsjedniku Azerbajdzana. Jako zanimljivo, s obzirom da su im Armenci religijski blizi.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_mafia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Power

Mozda i zbog ovakvih stvari ih se klone

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Originally Posted by: DugoVecCitam Go to Quoted Post
Citam da Gruzija nije dozvolila da kroz njihovu drzavu prodje oruzje za Armeniju.
Kao sto sam vec pisao, u razgovoru s lokalcima u Gruziji sam skonto da puno vise podrzavaju Azere i da Armence ne simpatiziraju previse. Cak u sirem centru Tbilisija postoji park nazvan po bivsem predsjedniku Azerbajdzana. Jako zanimljivo, s obzirom da su im Armenci religijski blizi.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_mafia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Power

Mozda i zbog ovakvih stvari ih se klone


Gruzijska mafija je puno opasnija. :)
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